[SabreCowboy]

Anyone heard any news on Tim Kennedy? Did his case make it to arbitration today?

[kamikaze63_99]

Pretty sure it went to the arbiter. No idea what happened though.

[SabreCowboy]

Based on what we have seen thus far with the rulings, got to think Kennedy will get in the $2 million range.

[kamikaze63_99]

SabreCowboy, on 27 July 2010 - 04:32 PM, said:

Based on what we have seen thus far with the rulings, got to think Kennedy will get in the $2 million range.

Hopefully more like $1.5M.

[SabreRock]

kamikaze63_99, on 27 July 2010 - 04:47 PM, said:

Hopefully more like $1.5M.

He doesn't have the statistics, nor the experience in the professional level, to get an award that high. Those are the two most important things in arbitration cases.

I think he gets $1 million for one year or $1.1 for 2 years. Anything more would scare me.

[jwallinator10]

I say 1.8 at the most

[Ruffian]

Clarkey Mac got 2.4........ Therefore Kennedy must get around 4 per...

[Palladius]

Given MacArthur's ruling, I'm going to guess the arbiter will give Kennedy $1.4 - $1.6

[SabreRock]

Ruffian, on 27 July 2010 - 10:01 PM, said:

Clarkey Mac got 2.4........ Therefore Kennedy must get around 4 per...

"Clarkey" has experience and goal totals. Kennedy has one year in the NHL which saw him play sub-par for most of it, at least sub-par for his expectations of himself. He doesn't have the power to command anything close to even half of what MacArthur received. I would be shocked to all hell if he gets more than $1 million. I was shocked he even had arbitration rights to begin with, given he's coming off a rookie contract which saw him make roughly $650k per season.

[Palladius]

Yeah, but the arbiters have a history of only looking at recent productions and current year contracts to make their rulings. Regardless of what MacArthur has accomplished overall, is he REALLY a $2.4M player, or is he just lucky enough to have been up for arbitration the same year Colby Armstrong gets a $3M contract?

In regards to Kennedy being eligible for arbitration... I think we're all just used to "rookies" still being in their teens when they get their contracts, that's pretty much the trend across the league. Kennedy signed his at 22, so 2 years is all it takes for the policy to kick in.

[buffalo83]

Tim Kennedy and the Sabres are expected to receive a ruling within 48 hours after both sides completed their arguments during an arbitration hearing today in Toronto. The hearing began at 9 a.m. after Kennedy and his hometown team failed to reach a contract agreement.

No word yet on how the hearing unfolded. Kennedy, agent Allain Roy and Sabres General Manager Darcy Regier were not immediately available for comment.

The Sabres were believed to be offering about $700,000, which would include his $635,000 base salary as a rookie and a mandatory 10 percent raise, on a one-year deal with a higher base salary on a multiyear contract. Kennedy was believed to be looking for more than $1 million per season and perhaps as much as $1.4 million depending on the length of the deal.

[SabreRock]

buffalo83, on 28 July 2010 - 01:58 AM, said:

Tim Kennedy and the Sabres are expected to receive a ruling within 48 hours after both sides completed their arguments during an arbitration hearing today in Toronto. The hearing began at 9 a.m. after Kennedy and his hometown team failed to reach a contract agreement.

No word yet on how the hearing unfolded. Kennedy, agent Allain Roy and Sabres General Manager Darcy Regier were not immediately available for comment.

The Sabres were believed to be offering about $700,000, which would include his $635,000 base salary as a rookie and a mandatory 10 percent raise, on a one-year deal with a higher base salary on a multiyear contract. Kennedy was believed to be looking for more than $1 million per season and perhaps as much as $1.4 million depending on the length of the deal.

Gee, I coulda sworn I read this word-for-word on the Buffalo News Sabres Edge Blog this afternoon. Link much, Tony?

[weave]

Someone correct me if I am wrong here.

I seem to recall that in an arbitration hearing, the arbitrator chooses between the team offer and the player offer. There is no middle ground. If I understand it correctly, the arbitrator chooses one or the other depending on which side makes the more compelling case. That would mean in the MacArthur award, Clarke's agent just did a better job of selling his argument that the Atlanta rep did. It doesn't necessarily mean the arbitrator thinks Mac is worth that much. It just means Mac's team won the debate.


Then again, I've been wrong before.

[Steve]

weave, on 28 July 2010 - 07:04 AM, said:

Someone correct me if I am wrong here.

I seem to recall that in an arbitration hearing, the arbitrator chooses between the team offer and the player offer. There is no middle ground. If I understand it correctly, the arbitrator chooses one or the other depending on which side makes the more compelling case. That would mean in the MacArthur award, Clarke's agent just did a better job of selling his argument that the Atlanta rep did. It doesn't necessarily mean the arbitrator thinks Mac is worth that much. It just means Mac's team won the debate.


Then again, I've been wrong before.

Both sides present what they think the player should get, but I don't think the arbitrator is forced to pick one of those numbers. Obviously the player is going to overvalue themself and the team is going to undervalue them.

I like Tim Kennedy but I don't think he was spectacular this year, I would expect he'll get around $1 million. I wish it was less actually.

[yse325]

NHL arbitration is silly even stupid.

Lets see if I understand it correctly. In the team wins, then the player is stuck with that deal for a season maybe two. I the player wins, then the team can walk away and the player becomes an UFA? Does this make any sense? To make matter worse, the arbitrator can only choose the team's number or the players.

I have never understood why these sports leagues agree to arbiration without giving the arbirator the ability to find a happy middle ground.

We know what the Sabres number is (700K - which is the mandatory raise and nothing more). I haven't heard what Tim's number is. 1.5? higher? Who knows.

Kaleta received 1.8 for two years. He scored 10 goals last year (15 pts). If Kaleta is worth 900K for the Sabres, Kennedy would be worth at least that. The Sabres should have offered more then 700K. They should have started at 900K and given him a 2yr 2 mill offer. Frankly this is the most the arbitrator should give him considering his single year of NHL experience.

[thetrump]

yse325, on 29 July 2010 - 12:36 PM, said:

We know what the Sabres number is (700K - which is the mandatory raise and nothing more). I haven't heard what Tim's number is. 1.5? higher? Who knows.

Kaleta received 1.8 for two years. He scored 10 goals last year (15 pts). If Kaleta is worth 900K for the Sabres, Kennedy would be worth at least that. The Sabres should have offered more then 700K. They should have started at 900K and given him a 2yr 2 mill offer. Frankly this is the most the arbitrator should give him considering his single year of NHL experience.

Wait why? To be nice? They offered 700K because it was mandatory. This is a business, they aren't going to go out and give him a big raise if they don't have to. If they ruling goes in favor of Kennedy I'm sure the Sabres will agree and pay him his money. If not the Sabres win and pay 700K.

Kennedy should be thankful the Sabres gave him a full season last year. He could have easily been kept in the AHL another season and made $62,500 instead of the $635,000 plus any bonuses he may have received.

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Lets see if I understand it correctly. In the team wins, then the player is stuck with that deal for a season maybe two. I the player wins, then the team can walk away and the player becomes an UFA? Does this make any sense?

It makes perfect sense. The teams are the ones who are paying the players salaries. They are the ones who drafted the players. When you enter the draft and are selected you are property of that NHL team and I would say you are compensated fairly well. If they player doesn't like it then guess what, he doesn't have to play hockey and can find another job.

[kamikaze63_99]

Steve, on 28 July 2010 - 01:15 PM, said:

I like Tim Kennedy but I don't think he was spectacular this year, I would expect he'll get around $1 million. I wish it was less actually.

It would appear you got your wish, sir. $1M it is.

LINK

[weave]

yse325, on 29 July 2010 - 12:36 PM, said:

To make matter worse, the arbitrator can only choose the team's number or the players.

I have never understood why these sports leagues agree to arbiration without giving the arbirator the ability to find a happy middle ground.

That's the way I understood it as well. And yeah, stoooopid that they arbitrator can't rule on a compromise that may more likely reflect the players actual market value.

[weave]

kamikaze63_99, on 29 July 2010 - 02:16 PM, said:

It would appear you got your wish, sir. $1M it is.

LINK

Fair number IMO.

[Puck Podcast]

The question becomes...will the Sabres match it or let him walk?